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G --> *CH and *CO; alternatively -

CO or CH --> *G

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This says that if GOD is, then CHAOS and CORRUPTION are not. Alternatively, if CHAOS or CORRUPTION is, then GOD is not. We cannot say that if CHAOS or CORRUPTION is then GOD is not; that is an incorrect reversal. Alternatively, we cannot say that if GOD is not, then CHAOS and/or CORRUPTION is. That is an incorrect negation. We don't know what happens if God does not exist and we don't know what happens if Chaos or Corruption do not exist.

Chaos and Corruption are not mutually exclusive. They can exist together or separately.

e.g. Chaos and Corruption exist together in opaque administrations - like the ones that come up with
surprise advances and whose administrations keep lots of secrets to ambush citizens and
foreigners.

e.g.2 Chaos can exist without corruption such as in the case of a victim. That person without
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e.g.3 Corruption can exist without chaos such as in the case of the Mafia. The hierarchical structure
and transparency of a strict moral code preclude anything but transparent organization. That
is, [individuals at the top of the chain of command] know who is doing what, where, when,
why, how and with whom. There is no uncertainty (or chaos), but there sure is corruption!




L&G-

I used the example of the Mafia's hierarchical structure and strict moral code which precludes anything but transparency. There is no disorder within the localized sampling, but of course the organized crime ring creates free-for-all in the macro sense. i.e., in a global structure, Mafias create chaos. So it just depends on how broad you want to look at it.

In the victim example, I said that there is no corruption (in the localized sampling of the individual). However, the global examination shows that a victim cannot exist without fault or corruption unless you consider the possibility that human nature, at least in one case, lends it self to pure ignorance. I think we can prove that even babies and madmen can learn. If they could not, they would cease to be human. Methinks.


L&G-

For clarification, the globalized sampling looks at the victim over time rather than in a specific instance. This suggests that a victim can learn and therefore victimhood is reserved for the uninitiated. Thanks.


L&G-

Formal logic was my way to couch the argument that taking a side [esp. for Israel and against Hezbolla/Hamas or any manifestations of the Palestinian Arab Islamic fundamentalist cults] in Mid-Eastern jihad would be a bad idea. When you hear Arabs saying, "Down with Israel! Down with America!" That is only taunting meant to lure us into a trap. If we get sucked in, those bastards will have justification for bombing us again. I guarantee that if we defend 'Israel' in Zionist/Islamic holy war, we will see brutal ramifications in the near/mid/long term. That is imminent danger.

In fact, if we advance ourselves in the name of [whatever type of justification] against Hamas/Hezbolla/Al Queda/Mujahadeen or any other Islamic force seeking self-determinacy in order to defend 'Israel' in the Middle East, we will deserve an attack by terrorists from that region. That is to say, we can't keep claiming ignorance.

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"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." — George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

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America was the victim of a horrible tragedy on 9/11 in Washington and Pennsylvania. We experienced blowback or unintended consequences of foreign policy when terrorism was justified by Islamic radicalists ostensibly because of the Cold War struggle of the Mujahadeen. We sent $millions in covert aid and weapons to the Muslim Brotherhood during the seventies to defeat Stalinist Russia (the USSR - a country of terrorists armed with nuclear weapons). Once we secured that territory, the newly united Islamists were left unguided and these religious zealots (or some faction thereof) subsequently overthrew the Sha of Iran in my birthday year. With the innervation of revolutionary power, these fundamentalists - armed with weapons, cash and ideology - reunited the flame of medieval crusade.

The ideologues thought God was giving them the green light to destroy all non-Muslim peoples and principalities. This false positive led from the wrongheaded assumption that that global jihad is justified based on the supposition that God is on the side of the jihadists themselves. However, God is neither political nor religious. People are. God is neither Conservative nor Liberal. People are. God is neither Christian nor Islamic nor Zionist. People are.

Furthermore, God does not fight people's battles. People fight God's battles. In a struggle, there may be some justifiable evidence for righteousness based on a relative standard for either party. However, unless God's will has been sought out and followed, that coalition's military and/or ideological endeavor will be disappointed. Seek and ye shall find. Knock and the door will be answered.